i guess its official no hotmail live mail support

Well, it was answered in the newsgroup chat, because things going on between the Hotmail and Outlook Express team support for Hotmail and Windows Live Mail accounts has been discontinued. :( -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

Sssshh... beta chat... we can't say anything about beta chats can we? :o(
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Well, it was answered in the newsgroup chat, because things going on between > the Hotmail and

Outlook Express team support for Hotmail and Windows Live

Mail accounts has been discontinued. :( -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

The transcript is public Zack. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message Sssshh... beta chat... we can't say anything about beta chats can we? :o(
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Well, it was answered in the newsgroup chat, because things going on between > the Hotmail and

Outlook Express team support for Hotmail and Windows Live

Mail accounts has been discontinued. :( -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

Ooooh right :o$ Sorry...
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

The transcript is public Zack. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message Sssshh... beta chat... we can't say anything about beta chats can we? :o(
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Well, it was answered in the newsgroup chat, because things going on between > the Hotmail and Outlook Express team support for Hotmail and Windows Live Mail accounts has been discontinued. :( -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Well, it was answered in the newsgroup chat, because things going on between the Hotmail and Outlook Express team support for Hotmail and Windows Live Mail accounts has been discontinued. :( --

That's been a known issue for a long time. I've known it for a year. :-)
The replacement for it, Windows Live Mail Desktop beta will support it, pop and imap accounts as well as RSS feeds and retain newsgroup support. http://spaces.msn.com/MoreThanMail shows a list of items it supports.

This is what I don't understand... you've called Windows Live Mail Desktop a "replacement" to Windows Mail. And this is a view shared by many.
So, why doesn't Microsoft just ship Windows Live Mail Desktop Beta with Windows Vista, instead of Windows Mail?
Windows Live Mail Desktop Beta would likely have a much larger user base (compared to Windows Mail) by the time Windows Vista is RTM.
Cheers, Ramin
"DGuess" wrote in message

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Well, it was answered in the newsgroup chat, because things going on between the Hotmail and Outlook Express team support for Hotmail and Windows Live Mail accounts has been discontinued. :( --
That's been a known issue for a long time. I've known it for a year. :-)
The replacement for it, Windows Live Mail Desktop beta will support it, pop and imap accounts as well as RSS feeds and retain newsgroup support. http://spaces.msn.com/MoreThanMail shows a list of items it supports.

There needs to be a basic mail program that is installed with the OS.
I don't particularly want Hotmail or advertisements filling my computer up with trash. I don't use hotmail and don't like ads, so I wouldn't use the WLMD much at all. If you like ads, then you should love WLMD.
Its NOT a replacement for Windows Mail or OE, its a separate mail entity that has much of the same functionality that will be in Vista Windows Mail.
steve
Durn insert bug is still there.
"Ramin" wrote in message

This is what I don't understand... you've called Windows Live Mail Desktop a "replacement" to Windows Mail. And this is a view shared by many.
So, why doesn't Microsoft just ship Windows Live Mail Desktop Beta with Windows Vista, instead of Windows Mail?
Windows Live Mail Desktop Beta would likely have a much larger user base (compared to Windows Mail) by the time Windows Vista is RTM.
Cheers, Ramin
"DGuess" wrote in message "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Well, it was answered in the newsgroup chat, because things going on between the Hotmail and Outlook Express team support for Hotmail and Windows Live Mail accounts has been discontinued. :( --
That's been a known issue for a long time. I've known it for a year. :-)
The replacement for it, Windows Live Mail Desktop beta will support it, pop and imap accounts as well as RSS feeds and retain newsgroup support. http://spaces.msn.com/MoreThanMail shows a list of items it supports.

Buenas noches: *Steve Cochran* escribió:

Durn insert bug is still there.

Do you mean this one here, Steve, or is there another?
https://connect.microsoft.com/feedback/ViewFeedback.aspx?SiteID=4&FeedbackID=9214
Saludos Roland -- Probleme mit OE? Hier gibt es die Lösungen: <http://oe-faq.de>!
"Wer verlangt, daß mit offenen Karten gespielt wird, hat gewöhnlich alle Trümpfe in der Hand." (G. Greene)

Steve, have you forgotten MSN & Hotmail subscribers who are paying for e-mail without ads?
I am an MSN subscriber and I don't see any ads on my @msn.com or @hotmail.com accounts (and MSN Spaces is also ad-free for MSN subscribers). So, this has nothing to do with ads.
Windows Vista's "basic mail program" could have had Hotmail support either installable/uninstallable as a Windows Component (via Control Panel - Add or Remove Programs) and HTTP/WebDAV functionality could be enabled/disabled by the Administrator/Group Policy.
Microsoft releasing two e-mail programs (which sound confusingly similar) that are essentially doing the same thing is definitely a mistake in my opinion.
Cheers, Ramin
"Steve Cochran" wrote in message

There needs to be a basic mail program that is installed with the OS.
I don't particularly want Hotmail or advertisements filling my computer up with trash. I don't use hotmail and don't like ads, so I wouldn't use the WLMD much at all. If you like ads, then you should love WLMD.
Its NOT a replacement for Windows Mail or OE, its a separate mail entity that has much of the same functionality that will be in Vista Windows Mail.
steve
Durn insert bug is still there.
"Ramin" wrote in message This is what I don't understand... you've called Windows Live Mail Desktop a "replacement" to Windows Mail. And this is a view shared by many.
So, why doesn't Microsoft just ship Windows Live Mail Desktop Beta with Windows Vista, instead of Windows Mail?
Windows Live Mail Desktop Beta would likely have a much larger user base (compared to Windows Mail) by the time Windows Vista is RTM.
Cheers, Ramin
"DGuess" wrote in message "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Well, it was answered in the newsgroup chat, because things going on between the Hotmail and Outlook Express team support for Hotmail and Windows Live Mail accounts has been discontinued. :( --
That's been a known issue for a long time. I've known it for a year. :-)
The replacement for it, Windows Live Mail Desktop beta will support it, pop and imap accounts as well as RSS feeds and retain newsgroup support. http://spaces.msn.com/MoreThanMail shows a list of items it supports.

Ramin wrote:

Microsoft releasing two e-mail programs (which sound confusingly similar) that are essentially doing the same thing is definitely a mistake in my opinion.

Windows Mail is an email application specific to Windows Vista.
Windows Live Mail is next-generation Hotmail (webpage access).
Windows Live Mail Desktop is a downloadable Mail Client which will be usuable in WinXP, Win2K, Win2K03, and Vista. You might consider it OE7 downloadable.
Yes, the names are /very/ confusing. -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), Aumha.org VSOP, DTS-L.org

Hi Ramin,
My expertise does not extend to hotmail and MSN accounts.
cheers,
steve
"Ramin" wrote in message

Steve, have you forgotten MSN & Hotmail subscribers who are paying for e-mail without ads?
I am an MSN subscriber and I don't see any ads on my @msn.com or @hotmail.com accounts (and MSN Spaces is also ad-free for MSN subscribers). So, this has nothing to do with ads.
Windows Vista's "basic mail program" could have had Hotmail support either installable/uninstallable as a Windows Component (via Control Panel - Add or Remove Programs) and HTTP/WebDAV functionality could be enabled/disabled by the Administrator/Group Policy.
Microsoft releasing two e-mail programs (which sound confusingly similar) that are essentially doing the same thing is definitely a mistake in my opinion.
Cheers, Ramin
"Steve Cochran" wrote in message There needs to be a basic mail program that is installed with the OS.
I don't particularly want Hotmail or advertisements filling my computer up with trash. I don't use hotmail and don't like ads, so I wouldn't use the WLMD much at all. If you like ads, then you should love WLMD.
Its NOT a replacement for Windows Mail or OE, its a separate mail entity that has much of the same functionality that will be in Vista Windows Mail.
steve
Durn insert bug is still there.
"Ramin" wrote in message This is what I don't understand... you've called Windows Live Mail Desktop a "replacement" to Windows Mail. And this is a view shared by many.
So, why doesn't Microsoft just ship Windows Live Mail Desktop Beta with Windows Vista, instead of Windows Mail?
Windows Live Mail Desktop Beta would likely have a much larger user base (compared to Windows Mail) by the time Windows Vista is RTM.
Cheers, Ramin
"DGuess" wrote in message "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Well, it was answered in the newsgroup chat, because things going on between the Hotmail and Outlook Express team support for Hotmail and Windows Live Mail accounts has been discontinued. :( --
That's been a known issue for a long time. I've known it for a year. :-)
The replacement for it, Windows Live Mail Desktop beta will support it, pop and imap accounts as well as RSS feeds and retain newsgroup support. http://spaces.msn.com/MoreThanMail shows a list of items it supports.

I have a feeling Live Mail Desktop could end up maybe as a pay app, as dont MS currently charge for outlook express/outlook access to their hotmail accounts.
Ben "Ramin" wrote in message

Steve, have you forgotten MSN & Hotmail subscribers who are paying for e-mail without ads?
I am an MSN subscriber and I don't see any ads on my @msn.com or @hotmail.com accounts (and MSN Spaces is also ad-free for MSN subscribers). So, this has nothing to do with ads.
Windows Vista's "basic mail program" could have had Hotmail support either installable/uninstallable as a Windows Component (via Control Panel - Add or Remove Programs) and HTTP/WebDAV functionality could be enabled/disabled by the Administrator/Group Policy.
Microsoft releasing two e-mail programs (which sound confusingly similar) that are essentially doing the same thing is definitely a mistake in my opinion.
Cheers, Ramin
"Steve Cochran" wrote in message There needs to be a basic mail program that is installed with the OS.
I don't particularly want Hotmail or advertisements filling my computer up with trash. I don't use hotmail and don't like ads, so I wouldn't use the WLMD much at all. If you like ads, then you should love WLMD.
Its NOT a replacement for Windows Mail or OE, its a separate mail entity that has much of the same functionality that will be in Vista Windows Mail.
steve
Durn insert bug is still there.
"Ramin" wrote in message This is what I don't understand... you've called Windows Live Mail Desktop a "replacement" to Windows Mail. And this is a view shared by many.
So, why doesn't Microsoft just ship Windows Live Mail Desktop Beta with Windows Vista, instead of Windows Mail?
Windows Live Mail Desktop Beta would likely have a much larger user base (compared to Windows Mail) by the time Windows Vista is RTM.
Cheers, Ramin
"DGuess" wrote in message "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Well, it was answered in the newsgroup chat, because things going on between the Hotmail and Outlook Express team support for Hotmail and Windows Live Mail accounts has been discontinued. :( --
That's been a known issue for a long time. I've known it for a year. :-)
The replacement for it, Windows Live Mail Desktop beta will support it, pop and imap accounts as well as RSS feeds and retain newsgroup support. http://spaces.msn.com/MoreThanMail shows a list of items it supports.

I promise you, it won't be a premium service. Windows Live is about keeping things free and in competition with other rivalling companies :o)
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--: Original message follows :-- "Ben Macrow" wrote in message

I have a feeling Live Mail Desktop could end up maybe as a pay app, as dont MS currently charge for outlook express/outlook access to their hotmail accounts.
Ben "Ramin" wrote in message Steve, have you forgotten MSN & Hotmail subscribers who are paying for e-mail without ads?
I am an MSN subscriber and I don't see any ads on my @msn.com or @hotmail.com accounts (and MSN Spaces is also ad-free for MSN subscribers). So, this has nothing to do with ads.
Windows Vista's "basic mail program" could have had Hotmail support either installable/uninstallable as a Windows Component (via Control Panel - Add or Remove Programs) and HTTP/WebDAV functionality could be enabled/disabled by the Administrator/Group Policy.
Microsoft releasing two e-mail programs (which sound confusingly similar) that are essentially doing the same thing is definitely a mistake in my opinion.
Cheers, Ramin
"Steve Cochran" wrote in message There needs to be a basic mail program that is installed with the OS.
I don't particularly want Hotmail or advertisements filling my computer up with trash. I don't use hotmail and don't like ads, so I wouldn't use the WLMD much at all. If you like ads, then you should love WLMD.
Its NOT a replacement for Windows Mail or OE, its a separate mail entity that has much of the same functionality that will be in Vista Windows Mail.
steve
Durn insert bug is still there.
"Ramin" wrote in message This is what I don't understand... you've called Windows Live Mail Desktop a "replacement" to Windows Mail. And this is a view shared by many.
So, why doesn't Microsoft just ship Windows Live Mail Desktop Beta with Windows Vista, instead of Windows Mail?
Windows Live Mail Desktop Beta would likely have a much larger user base (compared to Windows Mail) by the time Windows Vista is RTM.
Cheers, Ramin
"DGuess" wrote in message "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Well, it was answered in the newsgroup chat, because things going on between the Hotmail and Outlook Express team support for Hotmail and Windows Live Mail accounts has been discontinued. :( --
That's been a known issue for a long time. I've known it for a year. :-)
The replacement for it, Windows Live Mail Desktop beta will support it, pop and imap accounts as well as RSS feeds and retain newsgroup support. http://spaces.msn.com/MoreThanMail shows a list of items it supports.

Maybe/maybe not, it might come at cost to those who don't want adds, and free those with ads. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Ben Macrow" wrote in message

I have a feeling Live Mail Desktop could end up maybe as a pay app, as dont MS currently charge for outlook express/outlook access to their hotmail accounts.
Ben "Ramin" wrote in message Steve, have you forgotten MSN & Hotmail subscribers who are paying for e-mail without ads?
I am an MSN subscriber and I don't see any ads on my @msn.com or @hotmail.com accounts (and MSN Spaces is also ad-free for MSN subscribers). So, this has nothing to do with ads.
Windows Vista's "basic mail program" could have had Hotmail support either installable/uninstallable as a Windows Component (via Control Panel - Add or Remove Programs) and HTTP/WebDAV functionality could be enabled/disabled by the Administrator/Group Policy.
Microsoft releasing two e-mail programs (which sound confusingly similar) that are essentially doing the same thing is definitely a mistake in my opinion.
Cheers, Ramin
"Steve Cochran" wrote in message There needs to be a basic mail program that is installed with the OS.
I don't particularly want Hotmail or advertisements filling my computer up with trash. I don't use hotmail and don't like ads, so I wouldn't use the WLMD much at all. If you like ads, then you should love WLMD.
Its NOT a replacement for Windows Mail or OE, its a separate mail entity that has much of the same functionality that will be in Vista Windows Mail.
steve
Durn insert bug is still there.
"Ramin" wrote in message This is what I don't understand... you've called Windows Live Mail Desktop a "replacement" to Windows Mail. And this is a view shared by many.
So, why doesn't Microsoft just ship Windows Live Mail Desktop Beta with Windows Vista, instead of Windows Mail?
Windows Live Mail Desktop Beta would likely have a much larger user base (compared to Windows Mail) by the time Windows Vista is RTM.
Cheers, Ramin
"DGuess" wrote in message "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Well, it was answered in the newsgroup chat, because things going on between the Hotmail and Outlook Express team support for Hotmail and Windows Live Mail accounts has been discontinued. :( --
That's been a known issue for a long time. I've known it for a year. :-)
The replacement for it, Windows Live Mail Desktop beta will support it, pop and imap accounts as well as RSS feeds and retain newsgroup support. http://spaces.msn.com/MoreThanMail shows a list of items it supports.

There will be two versions - Windows Live Mail Desktop will have advertisements for standard users, however MSN Premium subscribers will be able to activate an option *within the same application* which will remove the adverts.
There will be only 1 single download - by standard will have advertisements, but with a Premium subscription, easy to turn them off. Hope this clears it up :o)
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--: Original message follows :-- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Maybe/maybe not, it might come at cost to those who don't want adds, and free those with ads. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Ben Macrow" wrote in message I have a feeling Live Mail Desktop could end up maybe as a pay app, as dont MS currently charge for outlook express/outlook access to their hotmail accounts.
Ben "Ramin" wrote in message Steve, have you forgotten MSN & Hotmail subscribers who are paying for e-mail without ads?
I am an MSN subscriber and I don't see any ads on my @msn.com or @hotmail.com accounts (and MSN Spaces is also ad-free for MSN subscribers). So, this has nothing to do with ads.
Windows Vista's "basic mail program" could have had Hotmail support either installable/uninstallable as a Windows Component (via Control Panel - Add or Remove Programs) and HTTP/WebDAV functionality could be enabled/disabled by the Administrator/Group Policy.
Microsoft releasing two e-mail programs (which sound confusingly similar) that are essentially doing the same thing is definitely a mistake in my opinion.
Cheers, Ramin
"Steve Cochran" wrote in message There needs to be a basic mail program that is installed with the OS.
I don't particularly want Hotmail or advertisements filling my computer up with trash. I don't use hotmail and don't like ads, so I wouldn't use the WLMD much at all. If you like ads, then you should love WLMD.
Its NOT a replacement for Windows Mail or OE, its a separate mail entity that has much of the same functionality that will be in Vista Windows Mail.
steve
Durn insert bug is still there.
"Ramin" wrote in message This is what I don't understand... you've called Windows Live Mail Desktop a "replacement" to Windows Mail. And this is a view shared by many.
So, why doesn't Microsoft just ship Windows Live Mail Desktop Beta with Windows Vista, instead of Windows Mail?
Windows Live Mail Desktop Beta would likely have a much larger user base (compared to Windows Mail) by the time Windows Vista is RTM.
Cheers, Ramin
"DGuess" wrote in message "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Well, it was answered in the newsgroup chat, because things going on between the Hotmail and Outlook Express team support for Hotmail and Windows Live Mail accounts has been discontinued. :( --
That's been a known issue for a long time. I've known it for a year. :-)
The replacement for it, Windows Live Mail Desktop beta will support it, pop and imap accounts as well as RSS feeds and retain newsgroup support. http://spaces.msn.com/MoreThanMail shows a list of items it supports.